Minerva Central School officials were somber Thursday after learning their nearly $5.1 million budget was defeated for the third and final time.

The vote was 246 in favor to 208 opposed. The 54 percent approval rate fell short of the 60 percent supermajority required because the budget’s 12 percent tax levy increase exceeded the district’s 2.75 percent cap.

“It’s incredibly disappointing,” Minerva Board of Education President Bone Bayse said.

Now, the board is forced to adopt a contingency budget that keeps the tax levy flat, which requires cutting nearly a half-million dollars in spending.

Three full-time teaching positions in English, math and science for grades seven through 12 are being cut. Part-time music and physical education positions would be cut. Full-time teachers in art, foreign language and technology, as well as a school librarian would have their hours cut to part time. Also, grades five and six would be combined and taught by one teacher.

Funding for extracurricular activities and athletics would be reduced. Among the cuts are a reduction on the Odyssey of the Mind teams, elimination of school funding for middle school and senior trips and transportation for non-league athletic competitions.

This was the third attempt to pass the budget. The first vote on May 19 received 56 percent approval.

However, there was a discrepancy between the number of votes registered on the machine — a total of 399 — and the 408 voters that inspectors counted going into the booth. The district and some residents each filed appeals to state Education Commissioner John B. King Jr., who granted the do over because of the irregularity. The school board put the same budget out for a revote on June 17. About 59 percent of the voters cast yes ballots.

Superintendent Timothy Farrell expressed frustration that the district received majority support for each budget vote, but didn’t reach the 60 percent threshold.

“A majority of the community continue to support the school under very difficult circumstances,” he said. “Unfortunately, those are the rules that are in place.”

Farrell added the district’s task is clear.

“Implement the best program we can with what we’ve got left,” he said.

Farrell said before the results were known that this was the highest turnout, so it appeared to reflect the will of the community.

School officials didn’t know why the support dropped this time. There were a few more “no” votes and a few less “yes” votes.

A steady stream of people filed in and out of the building during the dinner hour to cast ballots. Their opinions seemed to reflect the split outcome.

A couple who did not wish to be identified said they voted “no” even though they have children in school because they believe some cuts could have been made to offset the size of the tax increase.

Resident Angie Trainer said she voted “yes” on the budget because the school is central to the community.

“It’s part of our society here,” she said.

Trainer feared students ultimately would have to be transferred to another district.

“How much more can you scale down?” she asked.

Hayley Killon, who also voted in favor of the budget, said she is a big supporter of the district. She worried that children would lose band, physical education and labs.

“It’s a great school. It’s sad that there are business owners in this town that are voting ‘no’ and getting people to vote no,” she said.

One such businessman, repair garage owner Ron Bennett, said he is fed up with the management of the district.

“This is crazy. They spend so much money it’s ridiculous,” he said. “You got an employee for every two kids in this school.”

“They should shut the school down and consolidate with Newcomb or Johnsburg,” he added.

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Yankee Doodle Dandy
Yankee Doodle Dandy

Don't feel bad....I've had to tell my kids NO 3 times before they go it.

adk1
adk1

This is truly a heartbreaking day for the residents of Minerva. As a graduate of MCS, I cannot even begin to fully express how disappointed I am in members of my community that failed to do what's best for the town. The absolute ignorance about how negatively this result will impact Minerva is mind boggling. To those who voted no, you ought to be ashamed of yourselves for letting the students down so tremendously.

summit99
summit99

Unless I read the law wrong, the schools could have gotten about a $150K (2.75%) increase with a simple majority vote. Instead they tried 3 times to cram $500K down the voters throats. So now they get a zero increase.

Maybe they should have stuck with the $150K That would pay a bunch of teachers salaries.

This goes right back on the BoE.

summit99
summit99

Can't wait to see how they come up with a reason for a 4th vote.

Justthinkin
Justthinkin

Perhaps the area should consider a regional junior and/or high school level program. Under the direction of a regional superintendent the entire area could benefit from additional resources and could allow for better available classes, distance learning and better college placement for all areas involved.

FordKing52
FordKing52

I'm so glad it failed again!! To all those crying that it'll only hurt the kids, GET OVER YOURSELVES! There are people in the town that are struggling to pay their taxes & keep their lights on. Not everybody in Minerva (or any other small nearby town) have mommy & daddy's that have high-paying school jobs or own construction companies. God forbid, maybe you will have to cut the sports program or cut the music & art teachers! What a waste of money art & music teachers are.

Mikebush31
Mikebush31

In today's world it's all about being fiscally responsible and consolidation is not a bad thing so if that's what needs to happen and maybe that's something that can be looked at the future

ChrisFink
ChrisFink

After reading this article, a couple of things stood out. In order to have a "Letter to the Editor" published in the paper, you need to give the Post-Star your full name and where you live. BUT - to be quoted in a page 1 article, you can remain anonymous, and they will still print your opinion! You can also remain anonymous when you comment, like this, on an online article. Sounds very hypocritical to me. (For the record, my "screen name" is my actual name).

patcher
patcher

AND?

Lgraz5
Lgraz5

I am relieved to see that the will of the people can't be subverted by electoral maneuvering. Maybe if the education establishment wasn't grabbing with both hands they might have had a chance to get a modest tax increase. Now people, including the precious children everyone always says they are worried about, will suffer because of unreasonable greed.

Jamie Davie
Jamie Davie

To the anonymous couple that voted "No" on the budget that have kids in school:. Hopefully making that statement you attended board meeting and budget hearings proposing "the cuts" you feel needed to be made. That you made every effort to have your voice heard at these meetings If not that's why you are willing to remain anonymous. You were a coward

Kate Smith
Kate Smith

Wow! I am extremely discouraged and disappointed. Ford King you are right it is a struggle to live in Minerva, but it is a choice to live in Minerva. I choose to struggle to live in Minerva. My family chose to struggle in Minerva. The fact is that the minority is deciding, some of which have retired here or moved here after making their money elsewhere. My 5th generation yes vote counts less than a 1st generation no vote. Heck, my yes vote counts less than any no vote. The school budget did not fail 3 times it passed 3 times, just not under the supermajority. This law is unconstitutional and will be challenged. As far as art and music, I majored in music after leaving MCS and was light years ahead of my fellow classmates in college. Unfortunately, my Music Therapy degree is not conducive to a career in Minerva. So again, I chose to struggle in the town I love and a town I thought was worth it. I am utterly shocked and ashamed.

summit99
summit99

Since when does it matter how long you have lived somewhere as to how you vote or how much your vote counts? 1 still equals 1. Minerva chose to excede the limit and they need the votes. Notice that you had THREE chances to pass it and failed every time, with the NO votes increasing. Maybe you should be looking at the BoE or administration of the school instead of the no votes for the problem.

Music and arts and a lot of classes are great IF the school can afford them. Minerva can't. Your own words say that you were light years ahead in college, BUT with both the classes in Minerva and your degree you are unable to get you a job. So maybe elimating a class that can't get a student a job in the world is not as bad as it sounds?

Kate Smith
Kate Smith

Thanks for your comment. I knew very well when I chose to live in Minerva that I would not be using my music degree that again was my choice. If I chose to live elsewhere I would be making $100+ an hour as a music therapist. I chose to struggle here instead for aesthetic reasons. 1 does not equal 1 in a supermajority, that was my point. If that were true we would have won the election three times. The minority is deciding for the majority.

NativeToAdks
NativeToAdks

Chris, I'd be more inclined to consider your opinion if you paid taxes in the district.

ChrisFink
ChrisFink

Mr. Native, By your logic, I'm not sure how many of the opinions posted here should be considered - I doubt that everyone posting here is a Minerva taxpayer.

ChrisFink
ChrisFink

And furthermore, thank you for proving my original point. Because I am not afraid to use my real name, you're able to figure out who I am, and can make this specific comment directly about/toward me. But, because you are going by "NativeToAdks" this is only a one-way street. Again, thanks for helping prove my point.

NativeToAdks
NativeToAdks

Lol

Minerva Taxpayer
Minerva Taxpayer

Chris, You're a teacher at Minerva so if anyone posted their name, you'd be free to hold it against our kids during the school year. Why don't you mention that your wife may be one of the teacher's loosing their job. While people should have sympathy for any one who is loosing a job, you appear to be angry that you're family will now have to make the same financial adjustments you wanted the taxpayers to make. I too have been laid off and it's a difficult position to be in and I wouldn't wish it on any one. But most people can't afford such a large increase in taxes without making detrimental cuts to their own family budgets. Why should we bear this burden so you don't have to? 25 years ago, there were more students in the school and there was never a separate middle school staff. It's been done in the past and with excellent outcomes for those of us who graduated. It can be done again and our own kids will still have excellent educations since most of the teachers are awesome.

northq
northq

Sour grapes Mr. Fink? It's called karma and now it's your turn.

ChrisFink
ChrisFink

Since this is my first time ever commenting on a Post-Star article, I think I misinterpreted what this is supposed to be about. I made the mistake of giving my opinion about a Post-Star policy in this particular comment thread. Clearly, this does not appear to be the correct place to do that.

In my comments, I did not specifically bring up the Minerva issues/debate. I referenced a Post-Start policy. I have no desire to debate the specific Minerva issue here in this forum. Furthermore, in my own classroom, I have never held any student's opinion against them, nor do I intend to.

IWILLNOTCOMPLY
IWILLNOTCOMPLY

You proved no point! People may not want to use their real names so they won't get retribution from teachers to their kids for voting no and please don't try to tell us that not one teacher would do that. If we all had jobs with tenure and could not be fired then maybe we would use our names.

NativeToAdks
NativeToAdks

...as Patcher said the first time...And?

Refer to northq's post.

bucgirl
bucgirl

Chris, if you think for one minute we will fall for the story your trying to sell about the only reason you commented was because of the policy of post star, you are mistaken. Please why would it just happen to be the one post star story about a school both you and your wife work at, and that you are both in the cut section of this budget. You see we arent your students , we are their parents. We are your equal. Also to all so concerned about our children's futures, they will be fine, as all those prior to them that went on to get Doctrines, BA's, associates, ect.. My grandfather , grandmother ,mother, father, husband, son and myself all graduated from Minerva Central School. My son was the only one that did not have 1 English, math, social studies and had one Superintendant / administrator. At that time for most of those years there were many more students. So the fact is our children will be just fine, as those before them with a similar faculty/student ratio.

bucgirl
bucgirl

I am so sorry for those that noticed my grammatical errors.

Idoknow
Idoknow

Just ignore the bullies in here. They are fighting to keep the golden eggs we are forced to buy for them.

bucgirl
bucgirl

To all you people that are saying us no voters are letting down our children , well ya see, my child needs a roof over his head. These others schools in this area arent bad schools. I did not vote no for any personal reasons , and I had to choose. Ya see folks this isnt personal until the haters get on here and make it personal. It is called survival.

northq
northq

The school administration took a gamble and lost....they rolled the dice three times and still couldn't convince a supermajority to go along with a ridiculous tax increase. So be it, accept the results and stop whining. Life is full of disappointments. If this whole charade were truly "about the kids" and not about retirement packages,health insurance and employee benefits it would have passed the first time.

robzzyzx
robzzyzx

It's high time that the NYS ED and legislature get involved and start forcing consolidations and figuring out other ways to reduce costs because the local systems in the smaller towns and villages in the state can't handle these increases anymore. The fact that teacher's unions are so strong might be a good thing in places like NYC but it's a disaster in regions that are barely scraping by. How about one superintended per county in some of these places. Why haven't Abe Wing and Glens Falls been forced to merge, or Ft. Edward and Hudson Falls. Couldn't one superintendent handle Ft. Ann, Hartford, Granville, Salem and Argyle? What about consolidating garage maintenance service departments with Town Highway and Volunteer Fire Depts. for parts purchases, mechanics and bulk gasoline buying? Lot's of ways to work on this but until schools start shutting down it will be status quo.

Labratt
Labratt

This is an interesting debate that I have watched for the pure comical side. The only people who care to pass the budget either get paid by the school or have close family ties with people who work there. The rest of the people really don't care. I guess at the end of the day a few people will have to get new jobs. The kids will still have a school and Minerva will be just fine. Minerva should look at allowing the housing developments through. This is free money because second homeowners do not usually use the schools. I also think the schools and the board did a horrific job of selling the budget. People do not like fear mongering and it is a first grade sales tactic.

adk1
adk1

I'm really glad you're able to see the funny side to people losing their jobs and education losing its funding.


Good for you!

lovestotravel91
lovestotravel91

Really? "Art and music teachers are a waste of money." No. They aren't. Art and music classes TREMENDOUSLY help certain students (for example, autistic students). Research shows that students who enjoy art and music will perform better in math/science classes. Every school has the right to keep sports and art/music classes. The students shouldn't have to suffer because of budget cuts.

Our government and communities spend money in all the wrong ways. Ever wonder why our country lags in education? We don't put enough money into the system. Instead, we spend it on wiretapping every citizen. Sad, sad sad.

summit99
summit99

The only thing that schools have the "right" to have is what they can afford. All The Taxpayers own the school, NOT just the teachers/parents and BoE.

This school district let $150,000 slip away because they were greedy with THREE votes trying to get $500,000. Do you think that $150K would have paid for a music dept?

This school district pays more than DOUBLE what similar districts in its size do, and a bit less than double the state wide average. How is it the other schools can manage on 1/2 the money?

Idoknow
Idoknow

A few vultures saw a feast in small town Minerva. They thought these small town people would never figure it out. Minerva managed just fine before these birds came to town.

IWILLNOTCOMPLY
IWILLNOTCOMPLY

One thing we can agree on is the NSA spying on people. Now are you not a retired teacher? I believe I have read before that you are one and of course you would defend spending more money. If you were a teacher then you should know math and the data does not add up. Over and over we hear from people like you just spend more for the kids and all will be better. Well how many years has spending in schools gone up in NY and now we are at the top of the heap in spending for schools. One small problem is that our test scores and graduation rates don't match the increase in spending. Plain and simple more spending in schools does not translate to better educated kids, so it begs the question. Where has all this money gone to and why are our kids not doing better with all this spending?
Maven is correct, families need to get involved more in education but is it lack of concern or being pushed out by schools saying we can do it all, which came first the chicken or the egg??

Idoknow
Idoknow

I am glad the budget didn't pass for the sake of the people that could not afford higher taxes.

Once these tax burdens take off they never stop. I know quite a few people in other districts that have to get a loan every October to pay their school taxes. As for me, I started a savings account to pay the teacher tax burden every fall. I call it my Elmer Fudd account.

theMaven
theMaven

Any board who machines a 12% raise in taxes, should be replaced.

If they can't plan and anticipate any better than that, God help us.

I note, no administrators were let go, no teachers volunteered minor cuts,

all the pain and punishment will be inflicted on the children.

Odyssey of the Mind, my God,

if they had any brains, they would be ashamed of themselves.

Brokenhand
Brokenhand

Funny you don't see the administrators willing to take a pay cut to keep the teachers there or lessen the cuts to extracurricular activities. They usually make well over 100k don't they?

theMaven
theMaven

Time for all these pro education types to put up,

or shut up.

Its sad teachers have this pathogenic hatred of parents lending a hand.

Classroom moms/dads can take up a lot of slack, especially in 2 grade classes.

A few talented musicians, there are a few in Minerva, and a couple of spaghetti dinner fundraisers, and presto, a music program, parents buy instruments, try ebay, real cheap, and needy kids can get spaghetti instruments.

Odyssey of the Mind. Christ people, you should be proud. I watched your kids, awesome!. Get off your asses, have a few parents volunteer to mentor and drive, and you have a program, maybe a chicken dinner for funds.

Then using the computer for some classes, my daughter is taking calculus right now fm HVCC, what, you great minds can't figure out how to operate a computer?

Gotta tell you, a lot of people up there make me ill, Board, of course, but parents who want it all given to them by others, who are too lazy to roll up their sleeves

On Your Feet!

upstatehunter
upstatehunter

I guess what is still mystifying to me, is that most of the great minds of our human existence were taught in one room schools with one teacher for all.....Those humans were taught how to learn, by using their own resources...their mind, and desire....not technology or by just attending a class....We as a human race have "learned" to use all our technology to assimilate learning....If we don't know it, Google it...but we seem to not have that ability when it comes to figuring out how to cut spending, or manage money in schools. Our school leaders tell us more money, means more for your children....but they aren't willing to do more for less(what does that teach?)....Not that a teacher doesn't deserve to make a living, but maybe just live in the town your teaching in, and not Queensbury or Saratoga....and actually invest in the children yourself. Whose parents probably survive and take care of them on a far less salary. Just all part of the "new" screwed up society.

Idoknow
Idoknow

One group of people has figured out something very well. Educators have figured out really well how to funnel the majority of school tax dollars into their own pockets.

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

@bucgirl,
YOU'RE not helping YOUR case. And I would certainly hope that with a ratio of 8:1 Minerva would be one of the top performing schools in the state. Sadly, however, that is not the case.

Idoknow
Idoknow

Sccint,,,,What don't you understand about this lady trying to keep the roof over her child's head? Oh that's right, you did say your wife is a teacher so you refuse to understand.

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

know, what are you even talking about?! I was making reference to the fact that she stated her entire family did just fine attending Minerva yet her post was riddled with spelling and grammatical errors. And that with a ratio as low as 8:1, Minerva should be one of the top performing schools in the state. However, it is not.

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

Know, did you forget to read again? Or was this another go straight into attack mode?

bucgirl
bucgirl

Actually you kind and caring friend , I had a stroke 4 years ago, and typing on a little ipad with little keys is very difficult for me. I have a college education, as well as majority of my family members, I did not realize that I was writing a term paper for you in English class, if I had I would have certainly used Microsoft word auto correct and made sure i dotted my i's ( oops) and crossed my t's. I am so sorry that my comment was not up to your standards . I will hope you were not to offended by such a serious issue like grammar in a comment section of the post star. Now u have a beautiful afternoon.

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

Sorry, I forgot a comma!

Idoknow
Idoknow

Don't you have more important things to worry about?
Maybe schools will not be able to fund your pay packages and private schools will become the norm. If that happens your community will no longer be burdened with the cost of your retirements and healthcare. Imagine having our children be more important than the teachers union.

Idoknow
Idoknow

Sccint, I was responding to your lack of compassion for people that are overburdened trying to pay for educators.

Ahem, I admit tuning out much your posting, but it was hard when I saw you trying to make Bucgirl feel bad.

You couldn't stop yourself from picking on her could you..... All you people that live off taxes fight tooth and nail to keep them rising.

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

My intent was not to pick on people. But, if you're to talk about educators (and their lack of worth), please try and at least use what you learned in school. Your and you're is not something most people over the age of 13 should mess up. I mean, seriously, if you going to take a stab at the education profession, perhaps you should be educated enough to do so correctly. No one in their right mind likes higher taxes. I'll be the first to admit that taxes are out of control. Heck I pay over 7,000 a year in taxes

summit99
summit99

Its always fun to read when someone runs out of a way to discuss a subject that they try and change it to something else.

The fact of the matter is that I have seen very few people take swings at the teachers. This budget is a fault of a lot of people, starting with the Minerva Adminstration and going to their BoE.

There is a reason that the No votes got higher. The taxpayers spoke and said stop trying to cram this budget down our throats. No one seemed to get that.

Most of us don't use perfect English in these replys. But as you wanted to change the subject and brought it up, I'd suggest you read your post above this one and do all the grammer corrections, If you are going to throw stones, you should not live in a glass house.

IWILLNOTCOMPLY
IWILLNOTCOMPLY

Passions always go up on these subjects when people are struggling to survive and do what is right for their kids and teachers feel like they are being attacked. You hit the nail on the head, these was about the taxpayers making their voices heard loud and clear. They told the BOE enough and they don't want their taxes raised once again, they have gone to the well once too many times with the constant raising of taxes and people can't take it anymore.
The fact that they voted the budget down does not mean they hate their kids or hate the teachers it just means they feel the BOE does not get the message that you just can't keep spending more and more. It starts with the local schools to the towns, cities , state and finally the FED and all they know how to do is spend spend and its the common folks who pay the price and we are fed up. More and more budgets will go down in the next few years unless they get the message we all live with! Live within your means, stop spending.

Idoknow
Idoknow

Over 7000 eh. I suppose you think I should part with my info, pion

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

Hit submit before finishing my thought. Anyways, so I pay a lot in taxes and don't agree with it. And, yes, I get that people are struggling but many people don't see the whole picture and are quick to blame the teachers. However, schools are no longer allowed to keep stockpiles of reserves and aren't receiving the state aid they used to. One last thing to remember, a majority of people in Minerva wanted the budget to pass, just not the super majority required. So, again you're in the minority. Just as always.

Idoknow
Idoknow

Sccint, Methinks thou dost protest too much. Some people say it comes from a guilty conscience. Do you sleep well at night?

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

http://baileyshawley.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/an-open-letter-to-campbell-brown-from-a-teacher-on-leave/

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

Sorry, another error, it should be "if you're going to" in my previous comment. Didn't have the chance to proofread that one before I accidentally hit submit. Sorry for the confusion. And again, I'M NOT A TEACHER! READ!

Idoknow
Idoknow

You have already given us all your info, things like "your wife is a teacher". We know your modus operandi.

Volpe
Volpe

You people are unbelievable , like I said before. I understand that some people have a hard time paying extra taxes, but I did not complain when I was getting paid dirt to defend the simple freedom that you so all take for granted; while serving 5 years for my country. I will speak whatever I want, and why : I fought for that right. The overall fact is that these innocent children got the shaft. Thanks for not being selfish, it's not all about how much the teachers make, it's our future children getting what all of us adults had in school, and the minority votes took that away. You should be ashamed of yourselves! Before you comment something negative to me, I want you to think of one thing: this guy gave his life for his country for little pay to defend our freedoms.

Idoknow
Idoknow

Thank you for your unselfish service.

theMaven
theMaven

BTW,

FYI,

not many care about your service.

They say they do, but that's just blowing sunshine, get used to it.

Believe me, I know.

(not so much the) Maven

Viet Nam, 1969-1970 (volunteer, not draftee)

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

Wow know. Your intelligence amazes me. I corrected my own mistakes and made note that I made them. As I said, I hit submit by accident. You didn't read, again. And yes my wife is a teacher, I've come out and said that because I support her and what she does for the children in her classroom. And just because she is a teacher doesn't mean I vote for higher taxes, another point I've mentioned in previous posts. Lastly, I'm not sure what you mean by pion. Did this turn into a physics discussion?

Idoknow
Idoknow

I am not interested in your drivel of mistakes. Myself and other taxpayers have been supporting your wife so well that jobs like hers may be downsized or terminated. I like a less urban word for you, vassal.

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

I'm waiting for the physics discussion. I feel that would be fun and interesting. And really? Vassal? Oh, and in response to your previous question: yes, I sleep very well at night. I have a Select Comfort bed. They really are quite comfortable, I suggest trying one.

IWILLNOTCOMPLY
IWILLNOTCOMPLY

Great Beds!

Idoknow
Idoknow

If you are trying to impress me with your knowledge and "stuff" you will have to do better. My stuff was not bought with tax dollars.

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

I'm not trying to impress you at all. Why the need to get so defensive? As my good buddy Comply pointed out, they are great beds. I was just trying to help you out on your next mattress purchase. Jeeeesh!

IWILLNOTCOMPLY
IWILLNOTCOMPLY

Look we can disagree on some things, some of us feel that our taxes are going up too much and Scc is here defending his wife so lets take it down a couple of notches. We all feel the passion on these subjects but we need to find some common ground or all we are doing is yelling back and forth and nothing changes.
We need to find common things we can agree on and try to make changes where we can. Scc you have written on how your wife feels on some of the bad teachers out there and we can all agree that all schools might have a few. So it is time for your wife and fellow teachers to stand up and demand the union make changes to rid the schools of bad teachers. Unfortunately the union is the one making the everyday teacher look bad and I know there are a lot of teachers out there that don't like what the union is doing.
Now on the other side I have said that we should offer merit pay increases instead of step increases so that the good teachers get rewarded.
Can we agree on these 2?

theMaven
theMaven

Everyone has an opportunity to

pitch in,

or bitch in.

Poor kids up there.

theMaven
theMaven

You people are unbelievable , like I said before. I understand that some people have a hard time paying extra taxes, but I did not complain when I was getting paid dirt to defend the simple freedom that you so all take for granted; while serving 5 years for my country. I will speak whatever I want, and why : I fought for that right. The overall fact is that these innocent children got the shaft. Thanks for not being selfish, it's not all about how much the teachers make, .....

No one said those who want to, cannot donate 12% to the school voluntarily, let the poor alone, that should make up a lot of the slack.

C'mon people, talk is cheap, money where mouth is time.

You are right, it's not all about teacher's cost,

but a good chunk is.

You volunteered once, time to do it again, roll up your sleeves, and make the school a better place, otherwise, the kids really will get the shaft.

Oh yeah, next time, get some good candidates and really turn things around.

Idoknow
Idoknow

Where is bob123 or boater, I'm bored

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

I can agree on one. But unfortunately merit increases would be very hard. I agree with them to an extent but my wife received her class list today and was warned by previous teachers about many of her students. She teaches 5th grade and many of her students don't even read at a 3rd grade level. This is through no fault of the teachers. I know many of the teachers and have visited during school hours and 9 out 10 are great teachers. My wife can't effectively teach every kid the same way and expect stellar results. However, we talked tonight about going to see Dan Stec since he's local and talk about some changes that need to be made in local schools. But you're right on two things: I will defend my wife to the death and changes need to be made.

IWILLNOTCOMPLY
IWILLNOTCOMPLY

That is why good teachers need to stand up now and be heard because all we hear is the noise the union puts out and having talked to many teachers it is now how many feel. I think there has been a great disconnect between teachers and parents and somehow the bridge needs to be made. Many parents have been made to feel that they have no voice in their kids education and now common core has compounded that fact. Your right in the fact that parents need to get more involved with their kids education but on the other hand schools have to slow down and get the basics right before trying new programs (common core). Instead of going to new and improved programs they need to go back to what works and make step improvements to those programs.
My point with merit and it can be many things but we need a system to bring out the best in teachers and get rid of the 1 out of ten who may not care to improve students. We all do better when we see the fruits of our labor and can improve ourselves.

Idoknow
Idoknow

Go to the teachers union

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

On another note, I would like to apologize for attacking anyone personally. When people speak out against teachers and say things such as they are greedy, I have to step in and defend my wife. Not because of the money but because of the nights she comes home, sometimes crying because she can't help every kid, and regrets teaching now because of the lack of involvement from the parents and the fact that she knows no matter what she does, some of these kids are going to fail. She cares very deeply about each and every one of her students and wants to do everything for them. Sadly, she can't and it kills her. So please, when talking about teachers, remember that many go through this and they don't do it for the money. I can honestly say that seeing what she goes through, it's not that much. All it takes is one parent to ruin a teachers life. Greenwich?

Idoknow
Idoknow

I am sorry your wife is struggling because she loves the children so much. I suggest she get a different job. No worries for the school because hundreds of other people are trying to get a teaching job. I would caution her on finding another well paying job. Not many are available.

IWILLNOTCOMPLY
IWILLNOTCOMPLY

You know I agree with your comments many times and have had my disagreements with Scc but your tone does nothing to further the cause. It seems like all you want is an argument.
We should be trying to come to an understanding and if all we are going to do is say your wrong and I'm right then that will take one comment and be done.
I know we will never solve the issues on this comment page but if we can find agreement on some things with people we disagree with then maybe it could spread to other people.
Lets try to work on solving the problems instead of being the problems, some times we all act more like kids in schools instead of adults and I am just as guilty.
What I see in what Scc is saying about his wife is she has passion for the kids and what she does and too many times that is exactly what is missing in our schools today and that is what we complain about. Our schools are in the condition they are in because for far too long that who gives a crap attitude has been the norm

Idoknow
Idoknow

You are right. I usually try to be nice but some of them are so rude to me.

I don't really have any good fix ideas like you do. Sometimes I just tune in to see what you will say because it is always sensible.

Sccint, If you are reading this, I am sorry if I offended you.

Sccintegra
Sccintegra

We're good. Like comply said, these discussions get very intense and people feel very strongly about their opinions. Going forward I will try and stick to the issues at hand and stray away from the personal attacks. Hey look, as my wife would say "this was a learning experience for all of us" it's been fun! I'm sure I'll see you all again soon!

IWILLNOTCOMPLY
IWILLNOTCOMPLY

Should we join hands and sing 'Kumbaya' now!

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