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Report: Flames' affiliate headed to Glens Falls

2014-04-30T19:02:00Z 2014-05-21T12:35:30Z Report: Flames' affiliate headed to Glens Falls Glens Falls Post-Star

GLENS FALLS -- The Calgary Flames will be sending their AHL team to Glens Falls next season, according to multiple media reports.

WNYT-TV NewsChannel 13 cited sources as saying the organization and city have an agreement in principle in place. The move would have to be approved by the AHL Board of Governors, likely at the meeting scheduled for Monday.

Time Warner Cable News later cited Adirondack Regional Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Peter Aust as saying the Flames will bring their AHL team to the Civic Center.

Ed Bartholomew, president of EDC Warren County, said the report was premature and there is no signed agreement. He would not comment on whether there is a verbal agreement. There has to be “approval by the city, approval by the American Hockey League and Calgary to sign an agreement and we are still in those stages,” Bartholomew said.

“There is no signed agreement and American Hockey League has not approved it,” he said. “To say the team is coming when it requires American Hockey League approval, we cannot speculate what the Board of Governors is going to do.”

Bartholomew would not confirm the move will be brought up at the May 5 meeting, saying they were not privy to AHL’s plans. “All I can say is that we are encouraged that Calgary has expressed interest,” he said.

Calgary Flames President and CEO Ken King told the Calgary Herald that Glens Falls is “the top candidate right now, but not the only one.”

Attempts to reach Glens Falls Mayor John “Jack” Diamond after the report became public were unsuccessful. Earlier on Wednesday, asked if any officials or representatives of Calgary had contacted him, Diamond said, “If they had, I couldn’t tell you.” On Monday, he said he hadn’t had any contact with the organization.

The Flames announced their AHL team would not be returning to Abbotsford, British Columbia, on April 15. Calgary’s assistant general manager toured the Civic Center earlier that month.

The Civic Center will be without a tenant after the Adirondack Phantoms officially move out in June, though the team would be willing to move earlier if there were an incoming tenant.

The Phantoms played five losing seasons in Glens Falls and received strong community support, especially in their final months.

Murray said Glens Falls was the perfect city for the AHL given the size of the city, location and cost of living. His educated guess was that Glens Falls would have another AHL team next year.

Diamond has expressed concern the city can afford to operate the building without a full-time tenant.

The city exchanged proposals with a team that officials refused to name in January, but nothing came of that.

From both a financial and development standpoint, Glens Falls would make sense as a landing place for the Flames’ AHL team. The city’s close proximity to other teams means both more time on the ice, less on the road and a much smaller travel budget. This season, the Phantoms spent only 13 nights in hotels. The rest of their travel were day trips. The closest team to Abbotsford is nearly 2,000 miles away.

Staff writer Maury Thompson contributed to this story.

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  1. tweiner81
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    tweiner81 - May 07, 2014 11:07 am
    I have a solution, to the tax problem. I am from Washington County. There are very few stores in Washington County, we travel to either Warren or Saratoga county to shop for almost everything. When Warren county sends us the sales tax due on all sales, then I will consider a tax for Glens Falls CC. Until then consider my sales tax donation, as my donation to the CC.
  2. Jonny
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    Jonny - May 05, 2014 10:31 pm
    Maybe you should run, it seems you have all the answers. If you win, you get to see if you had the right or the wrong solutions to what you deem "problems" for the city.
  3. theMaven
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    theMaven - May 02, 2014 9:34 pm

    Only time I don't pay for roads, is when i don't use gas,

    real hard to do. As they travel on roads my taxes support, vice versa.

    You have a point here?
  4. Rolfey
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    Rolfey - May 02, 2014 11:56 am
    This is great news! Huge Flames fan about to move from Sydney Australia to Boston. Will be shuttling back and forth for my farm team games, and you'd better believe you'll be getting a very very good team to Glen Falls (which in fairness I've never heard of before now). Hope to run into those positive commentors not the whiners. Having Johnny Gaudreau alone will put bums on seats, the kid is incredible and one of yours (ie not Canadian)

    If they need a new name, how about the Adirondack Dingoes?
  5. GoGators15
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    GoGators15 - May 02, 2014 10:39 am
    @ theMaven. Wait so what you are saying is you and other people from Glens Falls travel outside of Glens Falls. I hope you do not travel on town roads or other county roads outside of Warren county because see you don't pay taxes to maintain those roads and by getting use out of them without helping pay to maintain them might just label you as a Leach!!! Seriously grow up!!
  6. theMaven
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    theMaven - May 02, 2014 6:46 am
    And no Glens Falls resident ever goes north or south to spend their money?

    No hockey type ever stops in SGF or up North for dinner?

    Is there a valid point here?

    I wish some of the hockey pucks would use their Democratic rights, and vote in people who would do the right thing,

    like have neighboring communities share expenses for a clearly regional venue, yes, like the library formula.

    I'm sick of everyone turning a blind eye to corruption and greed, and also, of those who use facilities like the Center just expecting others to subsidize their way, the entitlement, or "gimmee" generation.

    And yes, I do call that leeching, look it up in the dictionary, "someone who benefits, usually intentionally, from others' efforts".

  7. theMaven
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    theMaven - May 01, 2014 9:38 pm
    Then why does GF look like a glorified shooting gallery,

    closed and shuttered business's galore, like a city of blight?

    Thank you for your patronage, to supplant $700,000,

    you and your buddies would have to spend approx 23 million.

    I really don't think that's happening, be honest, do you?
  8. theMaven
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    theMaven - May 01, 2014 9:31 pm
    You're right, the only purpose of government is to make money for a very few,

    how could I have missed it?
  9. VileWeed
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    VileWeed - May 01, 2014 2:55 pm
    They lost money because the city for some ungodly reason agreed to pay for the travel costs of the team. When your closest game is 2,000 miles away and you have to pay for the team to stay in hotels half the year, the budget goes up pretty quick.
  10. VileWeed
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    VileWeed - May 01, 2014 2:53 pm
    Adirondack already has the lowest ticket prices in the league. Tickets for two, on the cheap side, at any other arena will cost you $50-60 before you even get in the door.
  11. Zeke Mowatt
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    Zeke Mowatt - May 01, 2014 1:46 pm
    I am sick of the Glens Falls residents crying about the taxes. I spend a lot each year in GF at local businesses. If all of us non-residents stop coming to GF all your businesses will close up and you will have to make up the void of that money. How hard is that to figure out. Don't like your taxes use you democratic right and vote in new government. GO ADIRONDACK FLAMES!!!!!
  12. GoGators15
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    GoGators15 - May 01, 2014 1:11 pm
    @ theMaven. Get of your high horse nobody is feeding off the taxpayers of Glens Falls. They pay to watch a sporting event or concert in a city owned arena. Figure out how much it would cost the average taxpayer if the Civic Centers deficit was split up between the region kind of like how the library's budget is split up by the region then guarantee me my money goes towards the Civic Center and nothing else and I'll be at city hall tomorrow with my check. I'll even invite you to watch me hand it in.
  13. kench
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    kench - May 01, 2014 12:58 pm
    Abbotsford made that deal with the FLAMES! All that money was given to the team for travel cost and expenses due to the fact that the closest team to them was 2000 miles.....
  14. mg312
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    mg312 - May 01, 2014 12:44 pm
    Wow. So much negativity.

    I'm from the Clifton Park and I drive to Glens Falls for Hockey. I spend my money at the local restaurants before and after the game. Without Hockey I would never make the trip up to Glens Falls. I will be purchasing season tickets if this becomes a reality.

  15. Jonny
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    Jonny - May 01, 2014 12:36 pm
    They made a deal to pay for travel expenses, closest team was 2k miles away. They built a huge new arena. They had to sell expensive tickets to fund the new arena. The area was a Canucks fan base, rivals of the Flames, so few people attended games, they had extremely poor attendance. I don't foresee any of those issues here.
  16. Jonny
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    Jonny - May 01, 2014 12:31 pm
    I send several checks. Season tickets holder for many years, local business patron before and after the games. You're welcome.
  17. Jonny
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    Jonny - May 01, 2014 12:29 pm
    "Hockey" does not cost the city anything. It makes money. An empty building costs money. Hockey keeps the budget of the CC from being much farther in the red. The true profits of hockey are hard to identify, as many businesses benefit from hockey patrons, which brings money indirectly into the city coffers. The options are: tear it down at great expense, sell it, give it away or operate it with a team that can bring in more fans than the last team. I'll take the best and last option.
  18. theMaven
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    theMaven - May 01, 2014 12:08 pm
    Why not a referendum?

    Because it would be hockey fans and restauranteurs, against everyone else,
    Center would loose in a landslide.
  19. theMaven
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    theMaven - May 01, 2014 12:05 pm
    I call anyone who feeds off the taxpayers of Glens Falls a leech. They can't afford it, look around, the city isn't doing that well.

    30 years ago, center was sold that it would revitalize Downtown, I'm still waiting.

    The region feeds off Glens Falls, Hospital, center, museums, whatever, people must think its all free.

    Speaking of free, feel free to put a check in an envelope, and send it to city hall, c/o general fund.

    Nope, didn't think so.......
  20. AlJensen
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    AlJensen - May 01, 2014 12:03 pm
    People need to look big picture here. Yes, the GFCC is going to lose money, but how much money does it make for all the other businesses in the city? How many people does it employ, full and part time? Closing the barn would have a far greater effect on the city than it does by keeping it open and running it at deficit.

    I live in Washington County but would happily put money towards the GFCC in form of a tax. I already spend money there on AHL and youth hockey. A $10-$20 flat tax for all local residents would go a long way in helping to support fund the GFCC. I think a plan like this could be reached, but from everything I gather the City of Glens Falls wants final say all matters. If you are asking for help than everyone needs to have a say.
  21. bumpusdogs
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    bumpusdogs - May 01, 2014 11:57 am
    Looking at how much Abbotsford has lost including $5.5m to terminate their contract makes me fear this deal.
  22. Cricket
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    Cricket - May 01, 2014 11:51 am
    Everything you said, Jonny is so true. You can't reason with negative whiners much. Obviously he is not a hockey fan.
  23. Cricket
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    Cricket - May 01, 2014 11:48 am
    Well I surely am excited about this! And yes, I come in to the games, and yes, we eat locally when we come, and we buy gas locally when we come! I pay plenty in taxes and have for YEARS not to mention working and spending money in Warren County so don't care much for being called a "leech" thank you very much. GO FLAMES!
  24. sc0315
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    sc0315 - May 01, 2014 10:46 am
    The issue ive heard over the years is the cost of tickets. Lower the prices and more fans would be able to attend more games. My son and i went to many many phantoms games. Each game would cost us around 70 bucks with tickets and food. Eventually we were only going to games when we could get 10 dollar tickets. Sell 2500 seats ay 17 bucks each, or sell 4500 @ 12. Hmmmmm?
  25. GoGators15
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    GoGators15 - May 01, 2014 10:37 am
    @ keith lou. If the team has the Glens Falls name people outside of Glens Falls may not feel as attached to the team and consider it their home team which yes could negatively affect ticket sales. By having the Adirondack name the team reaches a much larger audience and gives them that home team pride. I am a South Glens falls taxpayer and would gladly contribute to the Civic Center. On the flip side if the Civic Center is ever subsidized by the whole region then it may be time to drop the Glens Falls from the Civic Center name and call it something else.
  26. Peepers518
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    Peepers518 - May 01, 2014 10:22 am
    Hey Kaz, why are you so afraid to drive across the bridge?
  27. GoGators15
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    GoGators15 - May 01, 2014 10:19 am
    @ theMaven. Who are you calling a leach. I am a homeowner in South Glens Falls and would gladly pay taxes towards the Civic Center why not I pay taxes towards the library. . Broad generalizations on how people outside of Glens Falls feel towards paying for the Civic Center is ignorant and uncalled for. Just because the politicians are afraid to add taxes to there towns taxpayers doesn't mean there taxpayers are afraid to help out.
  28. VileWeed
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    VileWeed - May 01, 2014 9:36 am
    Team should be named after whoever it is that pays for the arena. Without it, there is no team. Glens Falls fronts, what, about 95% of the bill? Unfortunately, the "Adirondack" name is known to the league and its fans. It will probably never be anything but "Adirondack"
  29. pfenton
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    pfenton - May 01, 2014 9:30 am
    "AHL" Is that The "Alternate" Hockey League?
  30. Glens Falls Kaz
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    Glens Falls Kaz - May 01, 2014 8:42 am
    First and foremost, the taxpayers must be the number one consideration in any deal involving the civic center. All negotiations and contracts must have full transparency. Every taxpayer in this city has the right to know all of the costs, benefits and deals bestowed upon this hockey team. The City cannot offer deals that the residents of Glens Falls cannot afford to pay. It is not justified to have a hockey team just for the sake putting a team in the civic center. If it costs are too high for the residents then leave the building empty.
  31. keith lou
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    keith lou - May 01, 2014 8:11 am
    Are you saying that if the team is named Glens Falls...... that people wont go to games??? I dont think that will change anything.Buying tickets is THE ONLY way those people help support the CC!!!!!If and thats a big if,the CC gets regional support for help paying the bills,then the team can go back to Adirondack.GF deserves the reconigition of having its name "up in the lights"
  32. Jonny
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    Jonny - May 01, 2014 7:54 am
    Go ask the local eateries if they want the CC torn down. Ask Dangos owner if they want the CC shut down. 3k+ people in the city for a few hours a few times a week, and you think they don't spend money in local businesses? There is one family from PA that had season tickets to the Phantoms, it isn't just locals coming to games.People spend money, they pay sales tax, which supports the CC, businesses pay land taxes, it isn't just the few GF homeowners supporting the budget of the CC. How much are your city land taxes a year? If it's too much, maybe you should move to Washington county, where it's even more money for less services.
  33. robzzyzx
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    robzzyzx - May 01, 2014 7:03 am
    And another round of rumors starts, hopes are high, but the reality is the same. If true, and this team signs, will they average the 4,000+ attendees per game that they need to make this work year in and year out? And if not, who will pick up the tab? You can bet not Lake George or Queensbury or South Glens Falls where there are significant revenues from major retail, tourism, or in the case of Saratoga County, track revenues? When the City of Glens Falls is receiving annual revenues and not subsidizing the Civic Center to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, that's when this kind of deal can be considered positive news (especially after decades of losses and downtown with empty storefronts and a recurring cycle of business closings). And you know when this scenario will come to fruition? When pigs fly! (But at least when that happens they will have an extra 1,000 feet of runway at Warren County airport to land safely in bad weather).
  34. Dave
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    Dave - May 01, 2014 6:27 am
    Triple the ticket prices then maybe it will be good news for the city!!
  35. theMaven
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    theMaven - May 01, 2014 5:32 am

    Glens Falls will only loose $500,000 a year, not a million.

    We get to host all the leeches from the region with subsidized tickets, Woo-Hoo.

    Does this mean it is too late to bulldoze the damn Center?

    Quel Domage!
  36. Solomon112
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    Solomon112 - April 30, 2014 10:25 pm
    I'd bet you have a large percentage of persons who attend at least a single game. Great to have quality hockey continuing its legacy here in the gateway to the 'Dacks!!
  37. newshound1
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    newshound1 - April 30, 2014 9:07 pm
    big deal....what tiny percentage of folks go to these games... tear down this money losing building with no parking and donate the land to a business to build a taxpaying business there.
  38. MattyB
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    MattyB - April 30, 2014 9:01 pm
    The problem with calling them Glens falls anything is that you need the support from the entire region from lake George to Saratoga and further away so the name Adirondack is perfect. Great news if this is true. Hope it's not a 5 yr deal but more in the lines of a 10 yr deal
  39. thursday83
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    thursday83 - April 30, 2014 9:01 pm
    Woohoo!!!! Adirondack Flames!!!!
    Yes!!!! Yes!!!! Yes!!!!
  40. Gradplanningstudent
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    Gradplanningstudent - April 30, 2014 8:07 pm
    I'm excited to show them our support. I think this is great Glens Falls will begin a new Era of AHL hockey.
  41. keith lou
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    keith lou - April 30, 2014 7:54 pm
    If the region does not want to help with paying for the CC,the it should be the GLENS FALLS FLAMES!!!!!! Its been Adirondack since 1979.Glens Falls deserves the reconigtion that it brings!!!!!!!!!!!


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