GLENS FALLS -- On Tuesday The Post-Star will begin charging readers to view content on its website.

Readers will be allowed 15 free page views per month, after which point an online subscription will be required to continue accessing content. The home page and other sections will still be visible, but non-subscribers will not be able to click on headlines to view stories.

Post-Star Publisher Rick Emanuel said the move toward a metered system puts value on the unique content produced daily.

In addition to all stories from the print edition, the website features unique content such as breaking news updates, videos, multimedia projects and databases.

"We believe that there is a strong value to the products that we produce," Emanuel said.

The rate for complete online access will be $1.95 per month, or $19.50 annually, for print subscribers. The rate will be $6.50 per month, or $69.50 annually, for readers who do not receive the print edition.

A subscription reminder will be issued when readers reach 10 free page views.

The Post-Star is among a handful of Lee Enterprises Inc. newspapers that have implemented paid online content systems. Most Lee publications are expected to make the shift by the end of the year.

Many others in the industry, such as The New York Times and The Boston Globe, have also made the transition to metered content.

"It's definitely the direction that Lee is moving in," Emanuel said. "And it does seem to be that a large part of the industry is moving to a paid model."

Based on other newspapers' experiences, the change generally triggers a small decline in online readership in the short term, which rebounds after the first six months, Emanuel said.

He added that paid content should not impact online advertisers negatively, as they will be reaching an audience of paying subscribers.

"We have some of the strongest audience numbers for our size property within this area and we expect that to continue and to grow," Emanuel said.

The shift to paid content begins at midnight Tuesday.

Readers can sign up for online subscriptions at the website or by phone at 761-6090.

(150) comments

GPAT99

Wow! The PS was able to push this rate increase through and they did not even need a 'Super Majority' of 60% to do it either...

Good thing there was rate cap in place to hinder them. Definitely, not worth $6.50 a month... good luck with that...

sbrhwkp3

Guess what? I'm not buying it.

tomnchris
tomnchris

SORRY, folks but paying for something on line is just plain greed..really??? I read the obits, sports and some headlines... I can get BETTER coverage thru the Bennington Banner and the AlbanyTImes Union and channel 6 and WCAX from Burlington.....so SEEEEE YYYYYAAAAAAAA

skypocket
skypocket

That makes it official, I'm done reading the Post Star. Good job of pushing loyal readers away. The news is public domain, and I can get it from many different places.
Bye Post Star.

interested lg reader

See ya!!!!!

SGF1997

Oh well, not much to read here anyway.

News_Reader

good to know. I'll simply go elsewhere now.

myhome

When the PS first went online, many years ago, I signed on as a paid subscriber. Mainly because when I was receiving the hard copy daily, my carrier did not put it in a plastic bag when it rained or snowed. Having the recepticle on a very busy roadside, made for many soaking wet and unreadable newspapers. Then the online version went free. I'm not going back....to either. You are making a big mistake. Boo!!! Hiss!!!

Estress

Maybe I've been living under a rock but I have never seen any other news agency charge for their website. The news content provided on this site isn't worth 20 cents a year.

I support

I, for one, will be switching papers! I will NOT pay to read your paper on line! Saratogian and wnyt.com here I come! I think it will be interesting to see if the nasty posters on here who stir constant drama and negativity pay up!

mousegirl

It will be a cold day in you-know-where before I pay to view a newpaper website. There are more than enough other outlets available that I don't have to pay to use! I pay Time Warner to access the internet, I see no reason to pay you!

cooter

BOO

Qtown_Bob

I do not like the idea of paying more for the same content. It is my hope that ( when you charge for your online content ) You update the content better. Also add things not found in the paper that shows you are not just taking more money from an already strapped region .

tony

If the Post Star needs more revenue, they could get more subscribers to the print edition if half the daily papers had more than 8 pages.

debdar68

This is ridiculous!!!! They want to charge for online access when you do not even get Full Access when you are online.

Solomon112

Thanks, but no thanks-I'll stick with only my Sunday edition that I actually read. PS online not worth that price, honestly.

EnoughIsEnough

I guess they aren't making enough on all the advertising on their web page that slows down the loading of the stories.

What a joke mentioning the NY times and Boston Globe.

At least the Chronicle is free.

peaceloveandbarefeet

I hope they are not including the jobs section. I am unemployed and read the local job section daily. I cannot afford to pay the fees. It seems greedy to charge. Was there prior notification of this? From what I understand this begins tomorrow. Lovely!

AdkOutside

You're dreaming! PS is not the NY Times! If it's newsy enough it will be on the Times Union, or Fox, or WNYT, or The Saratogian.

QbyScotsman
QbyScotsman

Way to go and shoot yourself in the foot...

politicoQB
politicoQB

Good idea. More income = better reportage. Fewer rip-and-prints off the Warren County Sheriff's oft-quoted "Public Information Website" (which remains free to access.)

Bill In Glens Falls

Well, that's sad.

The free online concept was one of the things that made the Post-Star a great paper for the community.

The recent staff cuts, which are clearly showing in the paper, as well as this decision, are steadily weakening the paper.

I realize this is a Lee decision, not a local one (as were the staff cuts), and it makes me sad that the corporation is wrecking a great paper.

Al

BAD BAD move. Why would I pay, when I can go to The Saratogian, Times Union, and every local news website for free?

5756917

..............see ya!

viper

just more ways to take from the people

coolhand

Well I guess this is goodbye then

Al

Half the reason I won't buy it.. comments don't get published. I wrote a comment asking why I would pay for the Post Star, when every other local paper is free online, and of course.. it doesn't get published.

citydweller

I understand that the economics of the newspaper business is tough. I like to quickly check the website from time to time to see if anything is new. Add the hassle of having to sign in each time to see any content and I don't doubt I'll buy it. The page takes longer to load than most as it is. I'll wait for the print edition the next morning. I would rather see more ad displays on your on-line version than what you're proposing.

Muz i Belka
Muz i Belka

Well, let's see what happens. It probably will improve the quality of the reader contents if everyone has at least a few bucks a month "skin in the game". Fewer knee-jerk "send 'em to prison and throw away the key" comments to plow though.

I agree with others who have said they hope that now ALL content wlll be accessible on the digital edition and that the interface to the classified jobs and ads will be improved. For some reason, only the most popular stories (crime blotter especially) on the top of the site are easy to access and much of the print content is buried.

A redesign of the web interface to make other content easier to access would be appreciated, especially if it's going to be behind a paywall and producing revenue.

Maybe a *pdf of what the frontpage print editions look like (like the Times does) would be nice.

andrewbadera

A small town newspaper in the boring burg of my hometown in upstate NY will not receive a dime from me. Horrible editing, spellchecking. Horrible comments system, comment/conversation/article threading/cross-referencing, nascent-at-best comments moderation and editing policies, comment editing/moderating staff. I won't pay for the nytimes.com or suntimes.com, guess what, I won't pay for postmortem.com either, not to simply keep up with the depressing ongoings of local ne'er-do-wells and scofflaws of my grammar school and high school years.

Patriot3G
Patriot3G

Sucks, but it is cheaper than the "North Country Gazette", which isn't a newspaper at all. Atleast here you can read the news, without the threat of a lawsuit, or a dognapping.


I'LL PAY.

LG Bill

RIP Post Star- its been nice reading ya!

downtownresident

roger wilco...over & out....downtownresident

Bill In Glens Falls

[quote]Estress said: "Maybe I've been living under a rock but I have never seen any other news agency charge for their website. The news content provided on this site isn't worth 20 cents a year."[/quote]

The vast majority of newspapers, including papers the same size or smaller than the Post-Star have been charging for access for a while.

There has been a serious uptick in the last six or nine months as struggling newspapers try to find a way to make more money.

Now, maybe if Lee hadn't given $750,000 in bonuses to two executives while cutting staff positions across the country, I would have a little less issue with this.

It is not at all surprising if you follow the industry.

The publisher of the Times-Union has said its site will remain free.

But if you want to get the local news and sports, you will need to buy the Post-Star online or in the paper edition.

o_0

Or watch the news, or Google it. Just saying.

Idoknow

Ken's Mission

He's on a quest to bring the truth,
and sends reporters out for proof.

They're slick as cats when on the scene,
with a pen and camera they go between.

Every detail we ask to hear,
and want it written very clear.

With all this work, one can't conceive,
why some will fail to just believe.

This is probably the last and closest I will ever get to being published.

Locke

Bye bye!

qbyrt

They could adopt the North Country Gazette's business model and only allow one view. Then ban you from ever reading it again. Ever.

newsjunkie

You need an editor, reporter, copy editor and photographer to produce one story. It takes money to produce content and the pay model is the way of the future. Many area papers have already went that route - Daily Gazette (Schenectady) and the Recorder (Amsterdam) are two examples. You can threaten all you want, but please tell me where you will find consistent content on North Country happenings? The TU is a Capital District paper, TV doesn't cover the hyper-local. Do you people go into a restaurant and eat without paying?

Listening

Hasta la vista !!

shartee

I'm sure this is a "corporate" decision but somewhere in the mix, the "corporation" should remember this newspaper was built alongside, and with, "small town America". What a foolish move to try and strong arm people into buying an online subscription! What about senior citizens on a fixed income; do you expect them to calculate a way to budget the cost of an online subscription along with their monthly fuel and/or electric bill? Corporate might believe this decision will assist in generating money; however, in the end I believe this will be a very costly mistake in many ways.

nytoaz9382
nytoaz9382

at least your cheaper then June over at north country gazette, but seriously, 19.50 a year just for online subscription? im beginning to think someone forgot to pull the month of May off the Calendar, April Fools was 29 days ago!

JenW

It's been real, it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun.

DWC121

I knew it would come to this. I'm aware the on-line version is expensive for Lee Ent to maintain and have hosted. When the print edition changed to a narrower newspaper several years ago, I stopped buying it. Most of the news is a re-hash of national news. Most of the local articles labeled as "news" in the PS (like the Kiwanas will be having a public dinner on Friday) are not really NEWS. The PS has never been very educational either.

I only wish article older than perhaps 7-days or 30-days would remain free. Those articles may not be timely, but they are useful for research purposes. It would also give the PS more of an opportunity to be visible to prospective customers. Otherwise, the on-line version will be like a grocery store with boarded up windows and only open to members (kind of like an exclusive club).

To all my friends (and enemies) on the board, it was nice chatting with you.

samri45

I already pay time warner to be online, I'm not about to pay anyone else for news that I can get somewhere else, so I guess this is the end of my blogging here, I hope the post star deletes all the former blogs I've blogged here,there's no point in saving them is there?..

JDCarr
JDCarr

I could not find in the article details on how you were offering a sliding scale of payments for those least able to afford the subscription, can you provide a link?

s_trombly
s_trombly

[quote]peaceloveandbarefeet said: "I hope they are not including the jobs section. I am unemployed and read the local job section daily. I cannot afford to pay the fees. It seems greedy to charge. Was there prior notification of this? From what I understand this begins tomorrow. Lovely!"[/quote]

Unfortunately, the "Rich get richer", and the "poorer get poorer". They could care less about your employment status...

InnerSpiritualStruggle

It's the final nail in the coffin.

Truth

I think this is a wise move on the part of the Post-Star, personally. As a print subscriber, $20/year to read it online is a steal. If nothing else, it weeds out a good majority of obnoxious commenters.

2boysdad

Really!!!! See Ya Post Star!!

afancynancy

you have got to be kidding????????????Guess i wont be buying or loggin on

Honestly

I gotta agree. There's no way I'm paying to find out which idiot got the latest dwi. Later Post Star.

cg57

good luck. I for one haven't made up my mind whether I'll pay for the online content. I check it periodically throughout the day to see if anything newsworthy has been posted, but I also get the paper version still, mostly for the puzzles, and local sports. I suppose I can just wait and read it all in the AM. I understand the paper has to make a profit to stay in business. But you have a great deal of advertising already online, your site does take a long time to load, just want to make sure you are aware of that, as other posters have pointed out.

LGCSD15427

Can you please explain how this is economically beneficial? With free content, you are getting many viewers who bring high page counts for advertisers. However, once people have to pay, they will not use the site and not pay for something that used to be free. Furthermore, your view counts will decline and the advertisers will not pay for your services. I just don't get it.

newshound

sadly they and all other new sources should have done this from the beginning..dumb to give away content ..but now we are trained to get it free and i will not pay for it...sorry poststar.

ob

I still read the paper version, will gladly pay for the online version and completely understand he position Lee enterprises is in. Its a catch 22, they can't make the money they make with print by being free on line and when they do things to offset the losses everyone complains.

I do agree it will be nice that many of the folks that just like to get under others skins will be off the comment section though.

lauriebee

AM I not understanding this
" The rate for complete online access will be $1.95 per month, or $19.50 annually, for print subscribers. The rate will be $6.50 per month, or $69.50 annually, for readers who do not receive the print edition."
IF you have a PRINTED subscription, and you want online access to the Post Star you will pay 1.95 a month in addition to your PRINTED subscription? But If you don't have a printed subscription you will then pay 6'50 a month for ONLINE access ?
WHY would you PAY for online access if you get the printed version of The Post Star and vice versa ???????

racinguy82368

Take care post star!! I used to get delivery and that got messed up and never got the paper so I cancelled because I could read online so now you want to charge for that? I'm not subscribing. Good bye

amazed1

The Rutland Herald did this about a year ago. I live in Rutland County and never bought a subscription, neither have any of my 30 or so co-workers. I wonder if the drop in site visits has any effect of advertising money? We still get the local news, WCAX the CBS channel in Burlington's web page vastly improved about the same time, covering much more local news. The Post Star appears to be making a futile attempt to fight technology.... good luck! (suppose you can figure out a way to charge for your facebook account too?)

Runandgun

The free ride is over. Think the P-S cares if you freeloaders don't sign on? You do nothing for their bottom line. Even if only 2 people sign up, they're making more money from the website than they currently are.
BTW, several other papers in the region (Bennington banner, Schenectady Gazette, Rutland Herald) all charge for access to the website. And those who don't will in the next few years, or they will be extinct.

franky

I am happy to pay for on-line access to the New York Times, a substantial paper with comprehensive, original news content and thoughtful editorials, op-ed pieces, and reader comments. The Post Star is not in that category.

LauraEadon

Well I liked it while it was free, but I don't LOVE it to pay. Too bad

BubbaBear

While I doubt I will pay for the online content (I'm a print subscriber), I have be questioning whether or not to keep paying the over $200 per year for the print edition. I read it for the local coverage and obits, and quite frankly the local coverage has dropped considerably while the editorials take up more and more space. Take a look at a copy of the PS from the 70s and look at all the local blurbs - smaller articles, but many more events covered. Today it seems all about headlines, with articles written to elicit online chatter rather than to just inform. My prediction is at some point the PS will have "correspondents" in every town who will attend meetings and write short articles for $25 or $30 per. No salary or overhead for the PS, only the need for editors to standardize language and grammar. Maybe this is how we will end up getting back to the days of more news from more places.

thezuule
thezuule

If we aren't buying the sliced up tree version what makes you think anyone is going to buy the free online version. Sorry but you're literally cutting your own throats with this one. You might want to read through these comments and talk to your readers. This is a death blow for your paper that I have to assume is already suffering like most. For everyone 1 subscription you pick up online 99 people aren't going to come back. You aren't going to get comments on articles up over 300 anymore if people can only comment 15 times a month at most without paying for a service that everyone else is offering for free. I can go to 1 of 100,000 websites for my news. Myself and many others will just start reading the local NBC, ABC, CBS, etc posts. Please reconsider this terrible move, this isn't going to work out well.

Jonny

[quote]Truth said: "I think this is a wise move on the part of the Post-Star, personally. As a print subscriber, $20/year to read it online is a steal. If nothing else, it weeds out a good majority of obnoxious commenters. "[/quote]

You, muz I belka and two or three others can have some great debate, for sure. I canceled home delivery years ago, didn't want the paid version before, don't want it now. There are plenty of organizations running free content, profitable websites. Few will be willing to pay cash for the Post Star online edition. Have fun, you few left. I'll be out. Good luck with that, seriously. Maybe if they had some of that content Ken wrote a column about awhile ago...

thezuule
thezuule

He added that paid content should not impact online advertisers negatively, as they will be reaching an audience of paying subscribers.

Yes a MUCH MUCH smaller audience of paying subscribers. Expect to lose a lot of advertisers after this too. I hope that the three or four people that will actually pay for this service make up the difference in all the lost ad revenues.

thezuule
thezuule

[quote]newsjunkie said: "You need an editor, reporter, copy editor and photographer to produce one story. It takes money to produce content and the pay model is the way of the future. Many area papers have already went that route - Daily Gazette (Schenectady) and the Recorder (Amsterdam) are two examples. You can threaten all you want, but please tell me where you will find consistent content on North Country happenings? The TU is a Capital District paper, TV doesn't cover the hyper-local. Do you people go into a restaurant and eat without paying?"[/quote]
0's and 1's are not food good sir.

Palmettobay9470

I look to the Post Star for local news not state, national or international which I can get free on line from many sources such as CNN, Reuters, and Bloomberg.

Frankly, wanting Washington County I subscribe to a weekly "The Eagle" @$38/year and would consider the Bennington Banner for additional local area coverage.

To compare Post Star with NY Times and Boston Globe is rediculous. The Lee Enterprise newspapers should cover in depth the local news which is not available in either NY Times or Boston Globe. They have world coverage with reporters on site.

Sadly, I find the Post Star has missed the mark trying to have some national coverage and the DUI reports. Not worthly for Post coverage as repeating the National and who cares about the DUI unless of paramount local interest.

BTW, the Post Star isn't the only entity looking for value in these economic times...so for $60 plus is a tank and a half of gas which gets me to work for two weeks. I need that far more than the Post.

Uncle Fester
Uncle Fester

Is the Post Star’s counter to The Chronicle April Fools stories? The Chronicle on the first day of April and the Post Star on the last day of April. Neither were all that good or funny this year. But I guess is the sign of the times – Anyway, was nice while it lasted.

RIP Post Star

helipilot
helipilot

I already pay you for the printed edition - why should I also have to pay to view it on line ?????????
It would also be nice if there were a few more pages in your paper and some real news instead of some of the junk that's in it and also a decent TV guide.

StevoJ

THANK GOD!!! I have been sick and tired of the free loaders around here making horrible comments. Look folks... newspapers were only ever read by about 20% of the population, even in the 1960s. They were always for people who really took an interest in their communities and paid for it- and they were the ones that advertisers wanted the most, the upper crust. The internet has given this news to people who have shown by their immaturity and cruel comments that they never deserved it. So go away and get your news at Yahoo or Huffington Post for free. News about our community will remain ours though. Good luck finding Glen Falls sports scores, obits, local accidents on Yahoo News.
By the way, online ads get you about 50 cents per 1000 pages seen. As long as the Post Star can sign up more than about 25 people, it's gonna be more a success than a money-sink website ever was.

upstate ranger fan

Your comparisons to the Boston Globe and the New York Times are hysterical. I'm still laughing as I type. Do you foolishly believe that some pitiful little subscription is going to compensate for the loss of advertising dollars when businesses find out how low your readership has dropped? Advertisers run analytics to determine if our investment of marketing dollars is a wise investment. I'm guessing your not going to look very attractive in the very near future. So sad

Truth

So all of the complainers have been getting a FREE PRODUCT for years, now ... and the Post-Star is offering the same product, that you obviously enjoy, for the ridiculously low price 5 CENTS PER DAY. And you all think it's, somehow, wrong. Get a grip.

citydweller

This may well force me to drop my print subscription, save the trees and go with the on-line - although my morning coffee will miss the ritual. My hesitation is that I hope the on-line page is improved. It's clunky and generally slow to load.
On a side note, I expect the classifieds and the obits to remain free on-line as they have already been paid for by the individual sponsors.

cixelsyd

Not true runandgun. Many websites operate on sponsors alone. Like the giant screen size banners in the past that annoy people when they first come to the online version of the Post Star. They're everywhere, just scroll the page. There isn't enough content for me to feel it's worth it. Good luck!

david53

Bad move, see ya.

brian

Let's hope the increased revenue is re-invested in the editorial, to stem the continuous gutting of its staff and content. Improve the product = increase readership.

Six Degrees Marketing Group

Truth be told almost every paper will go paywall eventually. The problem lies within newspapers offering their content for free and then choosing to charge for it after the fact. I will agree that it is probably worth paying for if you like the content. The precedent was set in error from the beginning by the industry; hence, all of the backlash you are receiving in the comments below.

I wish Lee Enterprises had chosen to see the value in their online advertising because now it will be virtually non-existent and/or purely concentrated on the free sections. If this was made as a financial decision then I would challenge you to compare your advertising dollars to the paid subscriptions; my guess is you just gave up your best money line.

The model on all newspaper, The NY Times, went paywall and only have about 380,000 paying subscribers; The Post Star had over 400,000+ unique visitors each month. Now?

Your online was successful and helped all of our clients. Thank you.

amandasusan11
amandasusan11

I think its crazy as a print subscriber that you would charge me more money to view online (what I'm already paying for). The online classified section doesn't even remotely hold the same information or value as your print version...and while I have the option to read my daily paper sometimes I like to browse online to see if I missed something here or there. Most of your major headline stories I've already browsed or read through on larger mainstream sites that are FREE. Local residents are already paying an online subscribtion to be online or have wifi and now we are suppose to shell out more money on something that we can get elsewhere...that sometimes is more reliable or has the news first? I think its a poor choice in our still recovering economy and would hope you reconsider your marketing desicions in the future.

Bill In Glens Falls

It is my understanding that by charging a minimum price to print subscribers, the ABC -- the group that audits newspaper circulation -- allows the paper to count print/web subscribers twice, and circulation drives advertising rates.

thezuule
thezuule

[quote]StevoJ said: "THANK GOD!!! I have been sick and tired of the free loaders around here making horrible comments. Look folks... newspapers were only ever read by about 20% of the population, even in the 1960s. They were always for people who really took an interest in their communities and paid for it- and they were the ones that advertisers wanted the most, the upper crust. The internet has given this news to people who have shown by their immaturity and cruel comments that they never deserved it. So go away and get your news at Yahoo or Huffington Post for free. News about our community will remain ours though. Good luck finding Glen Falls sports scores, obits, local accidents on Yahoo News."[/quote]

I could care about high school sports or the 0bits. News is a privilege huh? Is that why the freedom of the press is a civil right? This is the most elitist thing I have read all week. How dare you say people don't deserve to know the news.

cheifrider

yep.........you can bet your bippy i wont be buying either ,i guess i'll have to go back to the ole 2 cans and a string to get my news now!

Runandgun

[quote]cixelsyd said: "Not true runandgun. Many websites operate on sponsors alone. Like the giant screen size banners in the past that annoy people when they first come to the online version of the Post Star. They're everywhere, just scroll the page. There isn't enough content for me to feel it's worth it. Good luck!"[/quote]

Uh, it is true that the Schenectady Gazette, Bennington Banner, Rutland Herald all charge to view articles on their website. Add the Granville and Whitehall weeklies to the list, too. Eventually they will all charge.
Same people probably bitched and moaned when Napster and all of its 'free' music disappeared too.

sreed

Good luck to you all.... It has been fun while it lasted

thezuule
thezuule

Enjoy this thread folks. 99% of these people won't be here pretty soon. Now is your chance to sound off lol.

Palmettobay9470

IMHO for local advertisers, the social media (Facebook, Twitter, etc) plus website are all at very low CPM vs. that of newpaper or even newpaper "on line".

The true value is the interaction on the social media between business and customer.


EnoughIsEnough

"Enjoy this thread folks. 99% of these people won't be here pretty soon. Now is your chance to sound off lol."

So only the 1% will be left.

This is going to upset Steph, boater and the other libs that frequently comment.

Miffer

Guess my neighbors can tell me whats going on from now on or I am better off not knowing!

eaglesfan

ahhh.. now its 15.. by tomorrow it will be 10. Bye Bye Post Star!

pontly

The bottom line here folks is that the paper is trying to save it self. This is the begining to the end of the Post Star. We'll have a version of the paper in some form in the future. maybe combine with the SARATOGIAN or THE CRONICAL... In any case watch for the signs... layoffs in the news room, less contant in the paper (thats already started), rate increase. It's just like the Post Office...doomed to fail. The Post Office just has congress to prop it up with our tax dollars. The Post Star doesn't have that money "tree". Think of it: a reporter to write the story, the cost to print, then someone to deliver the paper (not to mention all the hidden costs I'm sure that are involved such as printing press maintaince, ink etc). print is a dying breed.

cgcat1

"Stop the Press!" So much for my local paper being online and free. Big news in a small town, gonna cost ya now! The financial squeezing continues for the middle class. At least they (middle class) won't have to worry or feel happy, if someone is busted or done something positive for are comunity. Now 80 to 90% of former PostStar online viewers won't be in "The Know!" Didn't you try it once before? I'll just find a new source for info. I just don't have the extra cash flow in my budget for this subscription. I hope the PS reconsiders this decision. 

Ricky Bones
Ricky Bones

What I find funny, is in the past news was on the TV (free), or you bought a paper or periodical. The bigger papers have been doing the pay online for quite some time.

It's a business, and that is what this paper is. A business. It's going with the trend, in online news. This is what capitalism is, don't hate it, adjust. The paid subscription is not a bad rate, it would be nice if I got the subscribers' rate :-)

Oh well, it's worth it. It will be nice not to read comments from several posters here. I bet they burn through their free pages and waste it on commenting.

Ricky Bones
Ricky Bones

SteveoJ,

I feel certain we won't be seeing your comments after Tuesday.

Freeloaders? It's a free paper online, until Wed. Immaturity?! What would you consider your statement? Good to know we won't be hearing from you, soon.

ToxicAvenger

I have to concur that the typical offerings within are not enough to warrant a paid online subscription. Perhaps a measured drop in readership will drive an improved product that in time will generate revenue. As it stands, I can't imagine paying to read another recycled editorial on municipal consolidation, evil resource agencies, or ways in which The Man may be impeding Mr. Doolittle's mobility, especially, as the oft-served-here cliche would go, "in this economy."

asheygurl615
asheygurl615

i dont think thats right nothing is free in this world anymore and atleast you can do is keep this for free next youll be having to pay to breath..

Un4givn

Bye bye...ill get my news elsewhere.

sparker

see ya, wouldn't want to be ya

Un4givn

Isnt paid advertising enough? Sounds like greed.

cuzican2
cuzican2

I absolutely agree with you.If the Post Star feels the need to out of the blue charge a fee for an online subscription and have you set up an account,then they should already have your information in their system and allow the ones receiving the printed edition free access to anything online. Come on Post Star fare is fare.. You do nail them pretty hard for that newspaper everyday. I myself, do not receive the printed version but I do read up online every morning. So if im going to be paying a fee i would expect to see better coverage and a lot more content.. [quote]helipilot said: "I already pay you for the printed edition - why should I also have to pay to view it on line ?????????It would also be nice if there were a few more pages in your paper and some real news instead of some of the junk that's in it and also a decent TV guide."[/quote]

Idoknow

Our computers bring the news,
with discussion if we choose.

There are stories of every kind,
and some I wish they left behind.

There's no fear for saying things,
no matter what response it brings.

I've never seen such insults hurled,
as happens here in posting world.

It's been as bad as many claim,
and now I'm glad to end the game.

ZENCI2

I totally agree with all the folks here who are abandoning ship. I haven't lived up in the North Country in many years, and it's been fun and informative reading and commenting on happenings there. However, not one word is worth paying for! So, I bid you all a fond farewell. It's been an experience.

Fort Ann parent

I guess if the post star is going to start charging to read it's online version then like a lot of the other readers who read it online, I will be giving up the post star. I can get my news through the cable network online for free. The post star is just ridiculous for charging people to read the paper online. You already have parts of the paper that are print only. Now you are going to make it so no one wants to read the paper. So sorry to say but, I will not pay to read the paper. How can you justify the money when I always have advertisements showing up on the paper asking me to buy their items, isn't this your way of paying for the paper to be online? Please inform all of us what parts will be free on the online paper. Thanks.

upstateSAHM

How will this affect the app for smartphones?

ZENCI2

[quote]pontly said: "The bottom line here folks is that the paper is trying to save it self. This is the begining to the end of the Post Star. We'll have a version of the paper in some form in the future. maybe combine with the SARATOGIAN or THE CRONICAL... In any case watch for the signs... layoffs in the news room, less contant in the paper (thats already started), rate increase. It's just like the Post Office...doomed to fail. The Post Office just has congress to prop it up with our tax dollars. The Post Star doesn't have that money "tree". Think of it: a reporter to write the story, the cost to print, then someone to deliver the paper (not to mention all the hidden costs I'm sure that are involved such as printing press maintaince, ink etc). print is a dying breed. "[/quote]

Um, what do you suppose all that advertising money pays for?

realADKr
realADKr

I agree with "CityDweller" when they said "On a side note, I expect the classifieds and the obits to remain free on-line as they have already been paid for by the individual sponsor."


boston

The only reason I get on this site is to spar with those of differeing views and to inject my own. I wish all of you the best of health and a long and happy life. boater1, you'll never get me to be a socialist, but I respect your tennacity, or should I say repetition? It has been interesting, enlightening and intellectually challenging. Thank you all. Maybe we'll meet again in a different venue. Peace.

chevy2

Have a nice trip, See ya in the fall Somebeach somewhere.

LGhome

Well for those of us who have moved away from the area .. this was a way to check on announcements (obits, births, weddings, etc.) ... other than that it won't be missed. If I am going to pay for a newspaper, it will be an ACTUAL news paper. A line up of police blotter for the latest on bar fights and DUI's .. not news. Given what you charge local folks for the print edition ($187.00 - $219.00), you should be ashamed to then charge them more for online viewing! I know of three who will now cancel home delivery and have had it with the cost. So much more to say, but appears short on time. This has not been a community minded decision, especially given the economic state of the area!

bockscar45

I didn't read the paper until it was ‘free’ online. I guess I always thought that I was paying by giving your ads my attention just like so many other sites online. I'm pretty sure I won't miss a beat in a few days. Anyway, I just wanted to say, ”Thanks” to the Post Star for giving me years of information and insight. I also wanted to say good-bye to some great online friends: Cricket, IncrediblyWellInformed, cixelsyd etc. I have thoroughly enjoyed our debates and wish you nothing but the best. Delete my username and posts please. Peace.

AreaTeacher

I'm undecided on whether I will pay for the upgrade as a print suscriber. It's really not a bad price, but it might be an added inconvenience. This is happening at the same time that the PS is cutting content, and switched the the less user friendly comment system. Not a good combination of factors. I'm sort of leaning towards the facebook commenting system now, allthough I am not sure if I would be allowed to participate in that under the terms of my schools social media policy. I'm surprised Mr. Tingley hasn't weighed in on this yet with a blog, usually he's the first person to give you the inside view on what's going on.

cixelsyd

That last statement would be true runandgun. I suppose I was being vague. What I focused on was your comment, "Even if only 2 people sign up, they're making more money from the website than they currently are". My point was that they are making money from sponsors and if you remove the people that visit, then it isn't worth it for a sponsor to pay for their ad. If only 50 people decide to pay then I'm sure it wouldn't be good business for Adidas, Lowes, Kellogs and such to run ads on a website that not many visit. The question is, does the Post Star have enough people to make the change cost effective without making the online version go belly up? We'll see I suppose. Or it may come back free again like last time.

Bill In Glens Falls

[quote]cgcat1 said: ""Stop the Press!" So much for my local paper being online and free. Big news in a small town, gonna cost ya now! The financial squeezing continues for the middle class. At least they (middle class) won't have to worry or feel happy, if someone is busted or done something positive for are comunity. Now 80 to 90% of former PostStar online viewers won't be in "The Know!" Didn't you try it once before? I'll just find a new source for info. I just don't have the extra cash flow in my budget for this subscription. I hope the PS reconsiders this decision. "[/quote]

I disagree.

Lee Corp. is driving this, just as it drove the job cuts.

Lee Corp. is trying to save itself. It doesn't care about the Post-Star.


Solomon112

My biggest problem with being charged to use the site, is that I don't feel it is worth $7 a month or even $20 a year on top of my home delivery. I find the content and structure to be lacking. Only time will tell I guess. Best of luck PS , but I won't be using your site.

Ricky Bones
Ricky Bones

To the staunch conservatives who just love capitalism, but are complaining, here it is! Still want to play, you gotta pay.

The American way!

jadedI

Subscribers should be given passwords for free access. Usually, I read the paper delivered to my home and comment on the articles that interest me. I'm not paying any extra, though; I already pay enough. If this policy change goes forward, one of the reasons I enjoy reading your paper is going away. There are enough other forums available for expressing my opinions, though, so I'll be fine. I'll just let my mouse do the talking. Click.

mick57

Interesting debate. My initial reaction was no way would I pay. Upon further review, I have to say the local sports coverage is stellar and you won't find it anywhere else. Greg, Pete, Tim, Will and company do an outstanding job. Might just be enough to cause me to crack open my wallet.

PfortE

I just cannot imagine that such a small monthly fee will offset the revenue drawn from having so many more visitors regularly checking the site. I wish the paper well, but it's just not going to work. I feel for the writers whose content will reach such a smaller audience because of the short-sighted decision of the parent company. It might make financial sense for THEM, but for the Post Star individually this is a crushing blow. And that's unfortunate. I suppose if there is a bright side, it is that I will be barred from reading about small-town, minor violations of FOIL or various other open government laws. I'll feel better about (still) not caring for the most part. In all seriousness, best of luck to those at the Post Star who, I suspect, are as disenfranchised by this decision as the rest of us.

sadday33

I think that this is a great idea now hopefully the melingering liberal hippies will finially have absolutely nothing else to do and maybe get a job and a life instead of sitting on the couch burning incence and shoving their liberal propoganda down our throats through the post star.

Ricky Bones
Ricky Bones

sadday33,

You always bring out your sweeping generalizations on just about any subject. What does getting a job mean? So, all liberals are unemployed????

Are you going to pay for the subscription? I bet not!

hammer54

I am very upset with this plan. I pay for a subscription, rural delivery at a cost of almost $30.00 per month. I do not begrudge our delivery person Herbie as he has to make a living but there is no excuse for charging us longtime subscribers additional for web access. It is simply intended to line the pockets of useless shareholders who do nothing to deserve any ROI. I have been a subscriber since the rural delivery program became available in the 70's I believe. I am considering dropping my print subscription due to this fee. They should drop the sports section as I haven't opened it in 40 years, I just toss it as I do not like any sports, at all. They already dropped too many comics, compare the comic selection of 1970 to today, they even reduced the Sunday comic count count. Raise the ads rates instead of charging subscribers more. I pay for a subscription already, both hard copy and online should be included as the online version doesn't cost them anything.

meatybones

$6.50 a month? Dang, I spend more than that at Starbucks every day. I don't buy the print copy, but will happily pay for online content. This is the whole problem in the US today. 99-percenters think they're entitled to everything at no charge. Get yourself a job or go pick up cans on the side of the road, and pay these folks for the work they're doing for you!

Jonny

Ken, if I subscribe, there will be no ads? I'm not going to pay for something only to be slammed with ads as well. You can't have your cake, and eat it, too. I "paid" for coming here by being subjected to the advertising, I refuse to do both.

Cricket
Cricket

@bockscar45 - Thanks, back at you. Not sure if I will stay or go... like the squirrel in the proverbial road right now! May have to go back to counted cross stitch to keep my fingers busy! :)

deedee54

I have lived out of Glens Falls for over 22 yrs. It's my local connection everyday to keep up to date. Not fair I am not paying. I think the post will regret this, our small hometown paper is not the NY times . Gonna miss you Post star.

dupa
dupa

Smart. That's the most effective way to lose all of your readers. It was nice knowing you.

sasquatch

Whine all to White Creek, freeloaders. The free ride ends at midnight. As for those who've been saying they never read the Post Star, they're not so much of a liar any more.

Jonny

Ken, if I subscribe, there will be no ads? I'm not going to pay for something only to be slammed with ads as well. You can't have your cake, and eat it, too. I "paid" for coming here by being subjected to the advertising, I refuse to do both. Offer two levels, free with extra ads, and paid/premium with reduced ad content. This works with a few forums I frequent. Revenue and traffic remain.

tfbkm

shame on you post star--- i already pay for the print subscription!

thezuule
thezuule

[quote]sadday33 said: "I think that this is a great idea now hopefully the melingering liberal hippies will finially have absolutely nothing else to do and maybe get a job and a life instead of sitting on the couch burning incence and shoving their liberal propoganda down our throats through the post star."[/quote]

LOL who are these "mAlingering liberal hippies" exactly? Seems like most of the commenters here are conservatives and libertarians. I know LIBERtarian sounds lot like LIBERal to you but I assure you they are in fact two different political philosophies.

zoe2z

I'll miss you guys!!

mimir

I've never commented on ANYTHING in the Post Star but I have to on this one. The reason I cancelled by subscription was that the delivery person never came until after 7:00 a.m. I submitted my dissatisfaction on that count and never even received a response from anyone in circulation. I don't fault the delivery person because they are only trying to make a living and most likely taking on several routes. I do fault the Post Star for not being very proactive with thier customer service. This latest move is just the icing on the cake when it comes to the Post Star being totally out of touch with the real world and how to handle customer service.

sciaccabro

First off, where do you imbeciles who say you're going to get your news elsewhere think that news is going to come from? Radio and TV stations and the other local papers have been ripping and reading most of their news from the paper forever. And if you think the Times Union or Saratogian or other papers are going to make up the difference, maybe you should double-check those papers. They're NOT COVERING this area. They're not covering Hudson Falls school boards and Granville soccer games and Warren County tax rates and Lake George environmental issues or any of your local schools and towns. If the paper goes under and all its reporters disappear, there won't be any local news magically appearing anywhere else. It'll just be gone. Second, if you've been getting the paper online for free, why should the paper care if you stop reading it? You're worth nothing. Third, the new price you're being asked to pay is ridiculously low -- pennies a day. What the hell are you all griping about?

chrisdutch
chrisdutch

Don't think so. I'll find a newspaper at work to look at when on break...

jeepers

Every morning I hit one of the two Stewarts nearby for my morning coffee and the Post Star. I had delivery, but it was way inconsistent in regards to the delivery time, the condition of paper, and the random days it didn't come at all. I wont pay for this site. But I understand why many will. Ken, Will, Someone.... Write something before this thing expires so we can hear what you have to say on it?

Is there a significant difference between the published offered price for only the e edition ($69.50) & what appears on the pg. for a yearly subscriber's actual cost ($167.40)? Or is the difference between $69.50 & $167.40 insignificant? What am I missing here?

jkroll
jkroll

'Select Package

$6.95 for 30 days.
$69.50 for 365 days.'

Not sure where you're seeing the 167.40.

Profit margins for investors/CEO'S at many US companies are now near-record highs. They've often accomplished that legitimate goal recently by adding to unemployment lines. It's capitalism. More "American Pie" for the few, less for the rest, would seem to be the order of every day.

Ditto: national Republican tax policy; 'more tax cuts for the ruler/investment class, tah hell w/ the rest,' who're forced to pay more ( i.e., higher overall taxes).

So what if Ruppert Murdocks are found "unfit to run an international company," newspapers & other news outlets... that finding's in the UK. Like Wall St. "banksters," Murdock just didn't know... didn't cover-up. Tweed ring politics... economics & corruption?

"TPS," small as it's become, isn't guilty of such undertakings. Lee corporate? Who knows? Unlike public employees, their incomes/ & "bennies" aren't widely available/published.

We do understand the print media's competitively very challenged for $, & mkt. share.

Idoknow

The Post Star Paper's where I choose,
to read about the local news.

Where a story's breaking ground,
their reporters will be found.

Every day in time for tea,
I have their paper here with me.

To get online and have a say,
gratefully, I think I'll pay.

Wander52
Wander52

I'm going to miss checking the Post Star online before I go to bed. While I can understand a need to charge, for those of us that live away from home, this has been a means to stay in touch with our hometown. I can't afford $6.50 a month right now to continue to read the local news...guess I'll start reading the Adirondack Journal online more often. If the monthly price was reduced, I'd probably subscribe...I've been reading the Post Star online since 1998..sure going to miss it.

outsidethebox

I grew up in the area and the Post Star has been a large part of my life. I remember checking the lotto numbers in the morning with my grandparents. As I got older, everyone on my high school soccer team gathered around a copy to see the write ups from the previous night's games. I now live 1200 miles away and check this site more than I read the BBC or CNN websites. It's become a way to keep in the loop with what is happening in the area and has fueled numerous conversations with friends and family. I won't be subscribing at the proposed non-print subscriber rate. It's outrageous. I could get the Wall Street Journal for that. No offense to the staff of the PS, but you are not the WSJ. On the bright side, I suppose this means I'll have to call my friends and family more often to get the latest news and gossip. Adios Post Star. It's been real.

OK

Each of us will choose to subscribe or not subscribe on-line based on our own values and opinions. When the NY Times adopted a similar scheme I was careful as to which articles I choose to read in a given month. Now I need to choose what I read in The Post-Star as well. I'm not paying for the NYT and I won't for The Post-Star either. I'm having a problem understanding the logic of why 1) The CEO of Lee gets a huge bonus while the corporation make it's way out of bankruptcy 2) Our local paper makes huge cutbacks in staff and at the same time 3) begins to charge for it's on-line product. And frankly, no one should be surprised by the number of negative comments from the on-line readers. No one want to pay more for something and get less of a product, for any type of product. CEO gets richer, readers get less and I feel for the employees at The Post-Star who see this more clearly than we do.

rdc

I've made a few comments since I saw the paper was going to a pay mode for online content. Interestingly, haven't seen one of them here. I guess us freeloaders are history. Bye.

Muz i Belka
Muz i Belka

I just subscribed to the online edition. I live here and see the value.

For those of you who have moved to some other location but still feel the need to be commenting about stuff you know little about and have no real stake in (and don't care to pay for the privilege), I certainly won't be missing your two cents.

Sayonara!

rdc

You might want to save your witty riposts, Muz. They'll only be seen by an ever shrinking handfull of us locals. I live here and don't see the value.

Muz i Belka
Muz i Belka

@rdc

Back at ya, rdc. Don't think your contributions are all that awesome either, but it's the internet and your mileage may vary.

As to arguing with people who say went to high school here years ago and moved away but still feel the need to blab about our police blotter stories instead of contributing to their local Kalamazoo Courier or Anaheim Daily Observer, I've never gotten that and say good riddance. I once had some unproductive arguments with a Texas cop about our drug laws. Glad that guy's found another hobby.

You're right though, since the paywall went up, it sure got quiet around here!

denlaw1217
denlaw1217

I live in Chicago these days. I use the online edition occasionally to stay in touch with what is going on where I grew up. I think the rate is fair for those of us that don't subscribe to the print edition--though I think it should be free to those folks who do buy the print version. Maybe it is different for small towns, but most daily online papers I read are free. My college town's newspaper (Dayton Daily News) tried this a few years ago. It lasted less than six months and they went back exclusively to pay-per-click advertising.

What I find strange is that apparently the circulation and news departments didn't communicate. Almost every online story I read that is tries to sell something puts a link in the story to go directly to the purchase page, e.g. "online subscriptions at the website". Instead, I had to go hunt for it under "subscriber services". Guess what? It is not available! Home, Sunday Coupon, E-Edition (pdf), Combo, but no online at 6.50 per month.

thezuule
thezuule

Yeah it has Muz... Top stories and most commented stuff seems to be frozen in time since the announcement.

J Kroll, Quetions,

$69.50? $167.40 is the only price noted for 52 wks. when I click "TPS" subscribe pg. ??

Do not find an email for you.

There must be other than charge card options to suscribe to just the e edition. ??

For those NOT wishing to use a charge card, pls. suggest OTHER OPTIONS. Cash works best for me - & I'd not wanna' deprive my many overly redundant critics who very correctly suggest only that I'M overly redundant. The facts oughta' speak for themselves, & be all things considered.

Thanks, boater1

upstateresident

I don't subscribe because the Post Star isn't that great of a paper and I only read a few of the headlines in addition to obituaries and birth announcements on the website because I live around here. You mentioned in the article that papers such as the NY Times charge for online viewing, but you need to keep in mind that the Post Star is far from being the NY Times.

Londubh

I can understand the change,but if this is going to happen you should put the Deeds back on the online content.

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