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Schulz decries his portrait in Time magazine

2010-10-15T16:02:00Z 2010-10-15T16:36:46Z Schulz decries his portrait in Time magazineBy WILL DOOLITTLE will@poststar.com Glens Falls Post-Star
October 15, 2010 4:02 pm  • 

Robert Schulz of Fort Ann, advocate for the Constitution and leader of the We the People Foundation, says a recent Time magazine cover story mischaracterizes him and his organization and mistakenly links him to militias.

The story, "Locked and Loaded, The Secret World of Extreme Militias," ran as the cover story for the magazine's Oct. 11 edition.

The story, written by Barton Gellman, names Schulz as one of the philosophers of the antigovernment movement who "are edging their followers closer to violence."

The story calls Schulz "an influential voice among militia groups" and says he "has reached the brink of calling for war."

Schulz, who advocates nonviolent protest, calls the story "clearly false."

"I don't know any militia organizations. I don't communicate with any that I know of," he said.

Last year, Schulz said, he spoke to groups in 88 cities in all 50 states and not one was a militia.

"They've never called me, never asked me to speak," he said.

The We the People Foundation's e-mail list includes more than 80,000 addresses, he said, and he doesn't know every person on the list. But the characterization of him as a grassroots leader on the verge of advocating violent rebellion is wrong, he said.

The article mentions vigils that Schulz staged in Washington, D.C., in which he and some of his followers dressed in the costume of the character "V" from the movie "V for Vendetta," mentioning that, in the final scene, the British Parliament building erupts in flames.

Then the article quotes Schulz: " ‘If the First Amendment doesn't work,' Schulz says, ‘the Second Amendment would.' He asks, ‘What does a free man do' when all other avenues are closed? ‘I am struggling with my conscience.' "

Gellman picked quotes from six hours' worth of interviews and strung them together, out of context, to create the false impression that Schulz was "struggling with" whether to turn to violence, Schulz said.

What he was struggling with, Schulz said, was whether he should engage in another nonviolent protest, such as the hunger strike he staged for three weeks in 2001. That hunger strike protested the way the Internal Revenue Service collects income taxes.

At another point with Gellman, Schulz said, he was discussing "the historical context and purpose of the Bill of Rights, what was in the minds of the framers" and that is when he said, "If the First Amendment doesn't work, the Second Amendment would."

He was specifically talking about the experience of the Constitution's framers with the English government, and how that influenced them when coming up with the Bill of Rights.

"The First Amendment to me is the most important sentence in the Constitution," he said. "It guarantees our right to think freely and to nonviolently hold the government accountable to the rest of the Constitution. ... They understood sovereignty rests with the people and they intended for us to be able to hold the government accountable nonviolently. And, of course, if the First Amendment doesn't work, then you have the right to keep and bear arms."

Schulz also brought up a recent article on the website of the Southern Poverty Law Center, headlined "Midwifing the Militias," that links him and his group's complaints about what they see as unconstitutional behavior by the federal government to violent propaganda from militia organizations.

What he and the foundation are doing, Schulz said, is petitioning the government for redress of grievances, as they are empowered to do by the Constitution.

Gellman told him, Schulz said, that he was trying to get beyond the rhetoric of the patriot movement and get to the substance of the positions, on both sides.

Gellman refused to comment for this article.

Daniel Kile, a public relations spokesman for Time magazine, took questions about the article and responded with the following statement: "Time fully stands behind its story and Barton Gellman's reporting.

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  1. incrediblywellinformed
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    incrediblywellinformed - October 18, 2010 8:05 am
    independentguy said: "A civil war is brewing but it will be States rights vs an hugh Federal monster. Anyone who has a pulse on the downward spiral of our nation knows that you can not petition the courts nor the legislatures for redress of grievances as outlined in the 1st Amendment to our Constitution. The courts and the legislatures continue to ignore its responsibilites to its citizens and their complaints. The ballot box is controlled by the two party mafia of Dems and Repubs, letting no one else in. So, the so called checks and balances of our three departments and the state and federal levels are compromised. You can not get relief from the courts nor is there a political solution. What is left?"

    Indie has strongly supported in the past and with Shulz having supporters like this, it's not out of the realm of possibilities. I am sure Mr. Shulz appreciates this type of support.
  2. Sceptical Mass
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    Sceptical Mass - October 17, 2010 8:45 pm
    Like any normal person takes Time Magazine seriously anyways.
  3. independentguy
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    independentguy - October 16, 2010 2:44 pm
    A civil war is brewing but it will be States rights vs an hugh Federal monster. Anyone who has a pulse on the downward spiral of our nation knows that you can not petition the courts nor the legislatures for redress of grievances as outlined in the 1st Amendment to our Constitution. The courts and the legislatures continue to ignore its responsibilites to its citizens and their complaints. The ballot box is controlled by the two party mafia of Dems and Repubs, letting no one else in. So, the so called checks and balances of our three departments and the state and federal levels are compromised. You can not get relief from the courts nor is there a political solution. What is left?
  4. quillerm
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    quillerm - October 16, 2010 2:00 pm
    TIME Magazine is just pushing the Milita boogieman during the election cycle. They hope to get the public's attention off the Muslim terrorist threat for political reasons. Time Magazine is not interested in printing the facts just smears and mistruths to make a story out of nothing.
  5. Listening
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    Listening - October 16, 2010 12:56 pm
    I don't know this man"Shultz" I read several stories on him. If the rest of us weren't so Lazy and Tied up in everyday life[me included] we should be right along side him. The Government is out of control.Americans have become complecent.As long as we have our Tvs,Cars,Houses and food on the table we will do nothing. The only way to stop it is to stop paying taxes. But it would have to be done simultaneously because none of us is going to be the first or only one to loose everything to the IRS/Goverment. And the have nots are being funded by the Goverment via Welfare and other programs and dont really care..As far as the violence, its not 1776,things have changed.,Violence wont work. It would be small arms fire against drones that can put a stinger Missile through your front door.
  6. boston
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    boston - October 16, 2010 11:03 am
    We are beginning to see the implementation of the real purpose of the Patriot Act, Homeland (government) Security and the "War on Terror" The very fact that the Patriot Act defines us all as potential non-combatants should be a concern to ALL. The fact that the president alone can have anyone arrested, detained indefinately, without council is nothing short of Nazism in America under the guise of fighting terroism. The connection of Time and other major media outlets with ties to the Rand Corp, ADL, Southern Law Poverty Center, the Pentagon, Brookings, the Council on Foreign Relations and other think tanks and policy creators is becoming obvious. That a member of the Oath Keepers in NH just had his baby taken away because of his membership in that group and the State of Pa. paying to spy on tea party and 2nd Amemdement groups should awaken us all. This is how ALL totalitarin governments begin the round up of threats to the government. Long live the Constitution and the Bill of Rights!!
  7. Doubter_2
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    Doubter_2 - October 16, 2010 9:35 am
    "Locked and Loaded"... not a surprise to me the press would sensationalize an issue. Yes, I would have expected a bit higher standard from Time magazine. Then again the press at all levels is likely giving 'the people' the rhetoric they want... in exchange for the ratings the press wants. BTW My mind is already numb from back to back to back to back political advertisements during the newscasts.
  8. Van Renss
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    Van Renss - October 16, 2010 8:38 am
    Straighten Up and Fly Right...well better fly down the Center of this Republic's Rule of Law, it's Constitution
    and all other previous mid-course corrections taken during blast off will only be guidance during launching!

    Mr. Schutz's life's work will be appreciated and taken to
    heart as a Honest and Diligent Citizen!

    Thank you for your participation in our Experiment!
  9. Matt Funiciello
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    Matt Funiciello - October 16, 2010 8:27 am
    I've had several lengthy conversations with Bob Shulz and violence was never once put forward as a solution to any of our woes. In fact, Bob constantly peppers his pointed and educational rhetoric with references to Ghandi and Martin Luther King and non-violence in general.

    Time magazine wanted to find and write about dangerous and subversive people who may incite violence. Whether Bob admits it or not, his ideas and his principles are just the things that help build a foundation of outrage intense enough that people may consider violence.

    Chris Hedges reminded us all in Troy last night that we can't vote our way out of the mess we're in. I asked how individuals can protect themselves then when the government targets them for elimination? He paraphrased Thoreau saying that we will need to ... break the law. Food for thought.
  10. Sceptical Mass
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    Sceptical Mass - October 16, 2010 1:58 am
    Bob Schutz is many things, violent is not one of them. His revolution has always been philosophical in nature.

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